FSH and Estradiol(Estrogen)
It is also important to measure the estradiol on day 3. Day 2 is fine. The reason its day 3 is 15-20 years ago, the IVF medications were always started on day 3. So everyone who started an IVF cycle had Estradiol and FSH measured on day 3. Pregnancy rates were checked against different levels of FSH and Estradiol, and that’s how the original work was done. I did research with the day 3 Estradiol level when I was a fellow.
If the estradiol level is high, the FSH level will be artificially lowered, and the FSH level will therefore not accurate. For example, I may have a patient with an FSH an 18 and an
estradiol level of 45. Next month the FSH is 8, but the Estradiol is 92. This is just as bad as her first test. Once the estradiol is over about 50, the FSH will be lowered. Just because the FSH becomes lower does not mean the patient is more fertile. If the estradiol is elevated month to month, this is as bad as the FSH being elevated month to month.
Why does the Estardiol level become elevated? For some women, the cycle gets shorter as their ovaries age. So that by day 3, when the follicle should not yet be growing, the follicle has already started to grow and produce estradiol, and for reasons we don’t yet understand, this is bad. Taking estrogen pills to lower the FSH level does not help. It’s like taking Tylenol to lower your temperature if you have appendicitis. Your temperature may come down, but there is still a problem. Some doctors say there is a benefit to lowering the FSH level with estrogen. They say that when the FSH is high, the ovary become resistant to FSH and can't be stimulated by fertility drugs(which contain FSH). The theory is that by lowering FSH levels with estrogen, the ovary will respond when high doses of FSH are added(in the form of the fertility injections). It sounds reasonable, however there is no literature to support these claims, i.e. there is no evidenced based medicine
If the estradiol level is high, the FSH level will be artificially lowered, and the FSH level will therefore not accurate. For example, I may have a patient with an FSH an 18 and an
estradiol level of 45. Next month the FSH is 8, but the Estradiol is 92. This is just as bad as her first test. Once the estradiol is over about 50, the FSH will be lowered. Just because the FSH becomes lower does not mean the patient is more fertile. If the estradiol is elevated month to month, this is as bad as the FSH being elevated month to month.
Why does the Estardiol level become elevated? For some women, the cycle gets shorter as their ovaries age. So that by day 3, when the follicle should not yet be growing, the follicle has already started to grow and produce estradiol, and for reasons we don’t yet understand, this is bad. Taking estrogen pills to lower the FSH level does not help. It’s like taking Tylenol to lower your temperature if you have appendicitis. Your temperature may come down, but there is still a problem. Some doctors say there is a benefit to lowering the FSH level with estrogen. They say that when the FSH is high, the ovary become resistant to FSH and can't be stimulated by fertility drugs(which contain FSH). The theory is that by lowering FSH levels with estrogen, the ovary will respond when high doses of FSH are added(in the form of the fertility injections). It sounds reasonable, however there is no literature to support these claims, i.e. there is no evidenced based medicine


29 Comments:
First of all thanks for starting this blog. What an amazing way to reach limitless amounts of women! I did have 3 questions:
1) Do you have recommendations for lowering FSH (I'm 39+ FSH=11) & do you think acupuncture helps your patients?
2)Do you think stress (my Mother has terminal cancer)has anything to do with IVF success or failure?
3)If I did not respond to IVF meds (Gonal F 300 - 450 & Menopure 150), would I respond in the future?
Thanks so much,
Allie
Thank you for starting this blog it's what i needed to ease my anxieties. Day 3 for me was this past saturday, i was told that my FSH was high 14.2 i was prescribed a birth control pill that i have to start tomorrow i finish it on may 1st hopefuly my FSH would have gone down. I am so worried that i might be turned away if my FSH remains high is there anything else i should be doing to help. Thank you.
I have an FSH of 7.6 and an estradiol level of 248. My periods have gotten longer as I've aged, not shorter. Whta does the 248 # mean?
Dr. Liccardi:
I have done 3 FSH/E2 day 3 tests and the results are:
FSH: 1.1
E2: 50
FSH: 1.6
E2: 205
FSH: 1.4
E2: 160
Based on what you wrote about high estradiol levels every month on day 3 being as bad as high FSH, I am devastated. I just turned 33. Does this mean my eggs are no good?
We had 20 Egg follicles. Upon retrieval Dr. discovered 7 were cysts. 13 remained, only 6 fertilized. We had 4 embroys that were good for transfer. (1) 8 cell embryo, (1) 6 cell embryo, (2) 4 cell embroys. Dr. didn’t advise as to why transfer didn’t work. Suggested we try again, this time he would administer more medication. Question: Since I was on that medication, my breasts are very tender. How long does it take for your body to get back to normal. It's been one month since I had IVF done.
I'm currently seeing a Doctor regarding my absent menses. I have an 8 year old son, and have only had my cycle 4 times since he has been born. My period was sparked by taking BCP, but then I stopped taking them, and my menses stopped as well. I then decided to go back on BCP, but a different brand, and my cycles never came back. I'm glad to be seeing a Doctor that is caring and understanding. It really makes a difference no matter what the end result. He tested my FSH levels, and it was 32. Of course, I'm not having my periods. He tested my TSH and it was normal, along with a few other tests. He is now doing a progesterone challenge. I just finished the last of the 5 pills today. He said after that to come back and see him within 2 weeks. I have my next appointment on Jan. 4th. My Doctor said, don't worry if you don't start your period after the progesterone challenge. It's not bad news either way, just a two different paths that this can take. I mentioned chinese herbs and accupunture to him, but he wasn't too enthusiastic about that idea. He said he's never known of anyone taking chinese herbs that led to a successful pregnancy. Wondering if you agree?
Anyway, just thought I would share my story. I'll keep my eye on this blog.
I have high levels of FSH and haven't had my cycle for years. I've been doing research myself over the internet to try and find out what could be going on with my body. I've been absent of my periods since the age of 22. I'm wondering if Addison's Disease could be what is causing this. I've been tested for tumor of the pituitary, TSH, and blood drawn for levels of various hormones.
i just took my day 3 test. my estradoil was 107 and fsh was 77. should i be concerned? i'm only 32.
Thanks for starting this blog, It's a comfort to know that I am not the only one with questions and concerns. I just had my Day 3 blood work done.
LH: 4.2 mlu/ml
Prolactin 9.0 ng/ml
FSH(Follitropin) 6.0 mlU/ml
Testosterone 25 ng/dl
TSH 2.506 mclU/ml
Estradiol 41 pg/ml
What do these numbers mean?
Thank You so much,
L.M.
I am 50 and just had a D&C due to irregular bleeding. Tests results show both my FSH and Estadial levels are extremely high. The FSH is 109 and the Estradial level is that of a 21 year old. What is my next step to solve this puzzle?
Thanks,
Judy
Thanks for the more personal approach to talking about fertility issues.
I have a daughter who is 4. I have been pregnant 3 times since having her, and all have failed for what seem to be different reasons.
The first was a termination for medical reasons (age 35). Baby's brain was not developing past 20 weeks.
The second was an ectopic pregnancy. (age 35)
The third was a chemical pregnancy. (age 36)
I am now 37 and still trying, but my numbers are starting to not look too great.
Last checked they were:
Nov 06: fsh 4.1, e2 153
Dec 06: fsh 5.5, e2 98
I did IVF in March 07 and had to cancel the cycle b/c I produced only 3 eggs (although the baseline US had 11). I understand your info about high E2 numbers being not good. My question is does anyone know how much a high E2 level supresses FSH level? My FSH levels look good, could they still be OK, even if the high E2 may be supressing the FSH value somewhat? Or, is this high of an E2 always a bad sign?
I've been doing acupuncture regularly, what is your opinion on effectiveness of acupuncture and herbs?
Thanks.
Leslie
Thanks so much for this blog, Dr L.
I had my FSH tested last month after I had 2 large ovarian cysts removed and it was 14. This month, it was 10.
I'm 32 yrs old and getting married next year. I'll continue to monitor it but it looks like we'll be trying sooner than later for kids. Any advice?
Ideally
FSH should be < 70
E2 < 13.5
can u post more info about FSH levels...my fsh levels are bw 15-20 n my doc says im on my way to POF
First of all, thank you very much for this blog. I´m 39, and after a miscarriage last August I´m thinking about IFV because I cannot get pregnant again. Here you have my Hormone levels results on Day 2:
- FSH: 1,83 mUL/ml
- LH: 2,6 mUI /ml
- Prolactine: 18,7 ng/ml
- Beta-EStradiol: 558 pg/ml
What do you think about my high levels of Estradiol?
I read that those high levels can "supress" the FSH levels.
Do you think that I can go directly to IFV?
Thank you very much!
I recently turned 38, just ended a serious relationship and had my levels tested in case I want to freeze my eggs. I have:
FSH - 2.1
LH - 1.3
Estrodiol: 150
MY OBGYN wants me to see a fertility specialist to determine what my options are. Anyone else out there with similar levels? It appears the high estrodiol may be suppressing a high FSH level. It's unclear to me why this is a problem.
my daughter who is 15 years old has been recently diagnosed with adrenal insuffciency. she takes 5mlg a day of steriods and still does not feel any better. her estradoil levels have been increasing with every blood test the last one read 880 so they did a cat scan of her addrenal glands and an ultra sound of her ovaries and they found no mass on either. she has heavy periods which started when she was 9 . she had surgery to seperate her bowel and bladder but he did not do a byopsy. why are her estradoil levels so high ? and also her testoterone was very high.
Thank you for your time,
Lori
My day 3 fsh was 4.9 and my estradiol was 12. I've had 2 miscarriage and dr. says that blood test is "normal". Is my estradiol too low? Could this be my problem?
Hi,
Wondering if there is any point in me trying fertility treatment. I am 48 years old, never had any children and Estrodiol levels vary (last time 57), LH around 40, FSH around 140. If I wanted to conceive, is egg donor my only option? Please advise. Thank you in advance. - having major regrets not having children(to my surprise)
i am 26 with 2 sons have not had a period since end 2005,really wanted another child but been told going through menpoause,about 3 month ago had tests and they were
FSH 125
LH 51
UNDETECTABLE OESTRADIOL
test 2 week ago has come back
FSH 88
LH 45
OESTRADIOL 39
does anyone know if this is a good sign or should i give up hope of having another child, thanks in advance
I was recently tested and my FSH level was 85 (yeah I know), they re-tested me and guess what...its 105!!!! Ohh man. I have NO kids :( My egg quality and quantity is very low. I'm supposed to have atleast 25,000 eggs...I only have about 10. I'm trying to make sure that the egg donor option is my LAST option...God always has the last say so, but is there any chance??? feedback is greatly appreciated from all. I CAN handle the truth...
I was recently tested and my FSH level was 85 (yeah I know), they re-tested me and guess what...its 105!!!! Ohh man. I have NO kids :( My egg quality and quantity is very low. I'm supposed to have atleast 25,000 eggs...I only have about 10. I'm trying to make sure that the egg donor option is my LAST option...God always has the last say so, but is there any chance??? feedback is greatly appreciated from all. I CAN handle the truth...
My wife and I recently had a blood test on day 4 because we couldn't get to a clinic on days 2/3. the FSH levels were good (~6) but the estradiol levels were on the high side (~85). Could you tell us if estradiol levels measured on day 4 are likely to be similar to day 3, or should we ignore these test results completely?
Thanks so much!
Thank you for this blog!
I am 44 years old, no kids and last week I had my first ever FSH and LH exam.
The results are FSH 26.3 and LH 12.6. My Dr. says that they are too high and wants me to re-test.
For the past year my menses are very irregular (never 28 days as it was before, or 30 days. Now is between 37 to 42 days -last month gap. He also told me that if the numbers are the same or higher, that the only chance I have to get pregnant is by IVF.
My questions: Is there anything known that can lower my FSH?
If not, is the IVF my only chance of having a baby?
Thank for any help. All the best
Solange
Hi I am 41 have a 14 month old son and have been trying to concieve again since he was 6 months old with no luck. IVF Dr. told me my chances of concieving on my own are 5% assisted IUI about 10-13% and with IVF about 20-25%. I wanted to start a cycle of IUI this month. I went today to get day 2 blood work and ultrasound showed a fairly large cyst on one ovary and a small one on the other. My Estrogen was 90.2 and my FSH 8.9. I thought the FSH was good until I read on the web that if your Estogen is high it can give you a falsely lower FSH. Which corelates to egg reserve. I am so confused now I just want one more baby and my husband has given me a time limit of my 42nd birthday to get pregnant because he really only wanted one child to begin with. I wanted 3 so we agreed on two and it doesn't seem like I will get that with such rotten odds. I am so sad thanks for listening!
Ange
I am completely confused. I have been told that my tests results for FSH and Oestradiol were good for my age (42) but now I have no idea
at day 3 my FSH was 7.2 IU/L
and my Oestradiol was 278 pmol/l
please can you advise is this a concern? will I ever beable to conceive with my eggs.
Hi - I am a women of 34 with a child aged 12 and have not had a cycle for nearly two years now - I have been under investigation and been told I have ovarian failure? current test levels fsh 11 Estradiol below 40pg/ml LH 56
I would love moew children - can anyone give me some advice? I would love to hear a similar case.
Thanks
Dr. Liccardi,
I am a women aged 34. For the past 3 months I have had high estrogen levels which have been tested at day 2. As a result of this I have not been able to go ahead with the IVF process as my insurance does not approve it. I also have been diagnosed with diminished ovarian reserve. I am worried that I will never be able to go ahead with the 2nd IVF treatment. Are there any chances? My estrogen level has been higher than 80.
Dr. Liccardi,
I see that you have a lot of posts to answer, I just hope you have some time to answer mine, I would really appreaciate it.
I am 22 years old and I started having policistic ovaries when I was 15. Doctors gave me for that contraceptives. I've been taking contraceptives for 4 years now because I am in a relationship. When I wanted to stop I didnt get my period for a month. I took the next test and my results didnt look good. I am affraid I wont be able to get pregnant. My results are:
LH: 0.6
E2:10
P4: 0.4
Prolactine: 18.1
Testosterone: 0.5
TSH: 1.03
The test was taken on the 3th day of my cycle.
Can you please give me your opinion. Should I take another test? Do you think those levels of E2 mean that I am menopausic? My doctor tells me to wait for 6 months until I take the test again.
Thank you very much for your time,
Viviana
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