Being Positive
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Well, as some of you may have guessed the previous story has a happy ending. While weighing her options Sheri became pregnant. 9 months ago she had a girl, and all is well.
I talked to Sherri about the whole ordeal. She reminded me that she had done many IUIs and 4 IVF cycles. She believes her success was aided by sticking with trying the old fashioned way when not in a medical/IVF cycle.
She is resistant to sayings like, “it’s easier to get pregnant once you stop with our doctor”. And she did want people to know that she did not change her diet or add any holistic therapies, it just happened. (Just a note about this. Of course I believe in the benefits of life-improvement techniques, but they may work best when used in conjunction with conventional therapies Using unconventional therapies alone has some, but limited benefit, and counting on them as you are aging is not recommended. If two groups of 41 year olds try holistic vs holistic plus fertility treatments, both groups will have pregnancies, but there will be more in the second group).
So what are my comments? Every infertility patient has a built in “on-your-own” pregnancy rate. People do get pregnant without treatment. For some the rates are very low, but as long as there is at least one tube and some sperm, the rates are rarely zero. Sheri had an edge; she produced an excellent number of eggs during her ivf cycles and this meant the overall status of her ovaries was well above average. Plus we all understand the Sheri is an exception, not the rule. The fact is, most women her age with a longstanding history of infertility do not get pregnant using their own eggs, even with the most aggressive treatments.
But when it happens it’s wonderful. Plus, in her case to get through the increased risk of miscarriage that goes along with being 43 is a big relief.
But why and how she did it may not be the most important point here. I think we should take time out to celebrate and hope that everyone has the potential to be successful as quickly and as easily as possible.
I’ve had a few other surprises in the past months. I have had my share of patients who responded poorly to the medications causing us to cancel their IVF cycles. With the few eggs that we had, we did an iui “just in case”. Sure enough, 3 women became pregnant and they are all doing well.
Two years ago I had a woman in her 40’s get cancelled from an FSH iui cycle. Her estrogen did not budge after 10 days on drug. Four weeks later her home pregnant test was positive and she had the baby. Apparently, her normal cycle started the day she stopped the injections and without even knowing she ovulated, and without monitoring or exact timing, she became pregnant.
And on the IVF side, I have one woman whose pregnancy is doing well despite her having her retrieval at age 45. Plus, I have had a slew of women whose embryos did not look very good at all, but went on to be successful.
And just yesterday I did a pregnancy ultrasound on a woman who did absolutely nothing except try. I met the couple about 3 months ago. He had a few medical problems that were resolving. Things turned around and they were successful on their own.
One point here is that busy infertility doctors, who promote surgery, fertility drugs, inseminations and in vitro, have many patients who get pregnant without their help. We suggest IVF to some who decide to do iui instead, and some of them get pregnant. We have older patients who have failed many cycles. We may ask them to consider other options, but they persist with IVF, and a few do get pregnant. We have women on our donor egg list who call to come off because they became pregnant.
I don’t want to confuse the luck of a few with the harsh reality of many. But I think it’s important to hear about the potential positives that do exist among people who did not have the best chances. Will being positive up your odds? Some say yes. If not, at least it will give you more strength as you continue on your difficult path.
Another person needs to be very positive, and that person is your doctor. I think most are. You need a doctor who is honest and can communicate the reality of your situation and the odds of success. If you and she believe it’s in your best interest to initiate or continue treatment, then she needs to be behind you 100%. Unfortunately, there are some doctors who do not have the correct mindset to be positive and an advocate for women whose odds are low. No one can really predict who will or will not get pregnant, so why not go in saying it will work. Your doctor should work with everyone as if they will be the one. Again, I think most infertility doctors are very good at this, but if yours is not, try another.
I don’t know if Sheri became pregnant because she was always positive. But I like using her as an example of how good things do happen to people who have one or more factors hindering their chances. Most infertility patients are not optimal candidates for success. Most patients have some barrier, known or unknown, to getting pregnant. Work with what you have, and good things may come your way.
Thanks for reading,
Dr. Licciardi
Well, as some of you may have guessed the previous story has a happy ending. While weighing her options Sheri became pregnant. 9 months ago she had a girl, and all is well.
I talked to Sherri about the whole ordeal. She reminded me that she had done many IUIs and 4 IVF cycles. She believes her success was aided by sticking with trying the old fashioned way when not in a medical/IVF cycle.
She is resistant to sayings like, “it’s easier to get pregnant once you stop with our doctor”. And she did want people to know that she did not change her diet or add any holistic therapies, it just happened. (Just a note about this. Of course I believe in the benefits of life-improvement techniques, but they may work best when used in conjunction with conventional therapies Using unconventional therapies alone has some, but limited benefit, and counting on them as you are aging is not recommended. If two groups of 41 year olds try holistic vs holistic plus fertility treatments, both groups will have pregnancies, but there will be more in the second group).
So what are my comments? Every infertility patient has a built in “on-your-own” pregnancy rate. People do get pregnant without treatment. For some the rates are very low, but as long as there is at least one tube and some sperm, the rates are rarely zero. Sheri had an edge; she produced an excellent number of eggs during her ivf cycles and this meant the overall status of her ovaries was well above average. Plus we all understand the Sheri is an exception, not the rule. The fact is, most women her age with a longstanding history of infertility do not get pregnant using their own eggs, even with the most aggressive treatments.
But when it happens it’s wonderful. Plus, in her case to get through the increased risk of miscarriage that goes along with being 43 is a big relief.
But why and how she did it may not be the most important point here. I think we should take time out to celebrate and hope that everyone has the potential to be successful as quickly and as easily as possible.
I’ve had a few other surprises in the past months. I have had my share of patients who responded poorly to the medications causing us to cancel their IVF cycles. With the few eggs that we had, we did an iui “just in case”. Sure enough, 3 women became pregnant and they are all doing well.
Two years ago I had a woman in her 40’s get cancelled from an FSH iui cycle. Her estrogen did not budge after 10 days on drug. Four weeks later her home pregnant test was positive and she had the baby. Apparently, her normal cycle started the day she stopped the injections and without even knowing she ovulated, and without monitoring or exact timing, she became pregnant.
And on the IVF side, I have one woman whose pregnancy is doing well despite her having her retrieval at age 45. Plus, I have had a slew of women whose embryos did not look very good at all, but went on to be successful.
And just yesterday I did a pregnancy ultrasound on a woman who did absolutely nothing except try. I met the couple about 3 months ago. He had a few medical problems that were resolving. Things turned around and they were successful on their own.
One point here is that busy infertility doctors, who promote surgery, fertility drugs, inseminations and in vitro, have many patients who get pregnant without their help. We suggest IVF to some who decide to do iui instead, and some of them get pregnant. We have older patients who have failed many cycles. We may ask them to consider other options, but they persist with IVF, and a few do get pregnant. We have women on our donor egg list who call to come off because they became pregnant.
I don’t want to confuse the luck of a few with the harsh reality of many. But I think it’s important to hear about the potential positives that do exist among people who did not have the best chances. Will being positive up your odds? Some say yes. If not, at least it will give you more strength as you continue on your difficult path.
Another person needs to be very positive, and that person is your doctor. I think most are. You need a doctor who is honest and can communicate the reality of your situation and the odds of success. If you and she believe it’s in your best interest to initiate or continue treatment, then she needs to be behind you 100%. Unfortunately, there are some doctors who do not have the correct mindset to be positive and an advocate for women whose odds are low. No one can really predict who will or will not get pregnant, so why not go in saying it will work. Your doctor should work with everyone as if they will be the one. Again, I think most infertility doctors are very good at this, but if yours is not, try another.
I don’t know if Sheri became pregnant because she was always positive. But I like using her as an example of how good things do happen to people who have one or more factors hindering their chances. Most infertility patients are not optimal candidates for success. Most patients have some barrier, known or unknown, to getting pregnant. Work with what you have, and good things may come your way.
Thanks for reading,
Dr. Licciardi


29 Comments:
Me and my husband are another couple of lucky people. My husband had had a vasectomy over 9 years when he had a reversal. After the reversal his numbers went from poor to none. My HSG showed one normal tube and I have a history of cervical cancer.
We went through one IVF that resulted in a miscarriage and an unsuccesful FET. While we were taking a break before starting our second IVF I became pregnant. Our son is almost four months and a true miracle :) Thank you for a great blog!
Please, please, please help.
I am 27, had PCOS but all cysts have disappeared for 6 months. Very healthy and athletic and in good BMI. On Metformin(1500), prenatals, asprin, progesterone suppositories. Husband is 31 and has amazing sperm - Fertility specialist said 5 times the average sample.
I have had one "official" pregnancy which ended in miscarriage. I have had 5 other "chemical pregnancies" where I got early positive HPT's and was negative by 14dpo with a blood test.
What would you do? My fertility specialist wants me to go on to Gonal-F and try IUI again. How many IUI cycles is reasonable. Should I get a laparoscopy and Recurrent Pregnancy Loss Panel first? Should I be concerned about these super early chemical pregnancies? Would Gonal-F improve egg quality?
Trying to Conceive every month since 03/2008
Natural Cycle- BFP-Miscarriage at 6 weeks 5/2008
HSG all clear 02/2010
Natural Cycle- BFP-chemical pregnancy 05/2010
Clomid(50) cycle #1-BFN - 11/2010
Clomid(50) cycle #2-BFN - 12/2010
*clear of all cysts*
Clomid(50) cycle #3-BFN - 01/2011
Clomid(50) cycle #4-BFP - chemical pregnancy 02/2011
Clomid(100) cycle #5-BFP - chemical pregnancy 03/2011
Natural Cycle - No ovulation 04/2011
1st IUI +Clomid(100) cycle #6-BFP - chemical pregnancy 05/2011
2nd IUI + Clomid (100) cycle #7-BFP - chemical pregnancy
Please give me your advice as I'm feeling really helpless. I have seen many Docs and it seems they all think I have all the time in the world and don't take my situation seriously.
Thank you so much.
-Desperate
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I think it's interesting how this can and does happen on occasion. We have male factor issues (0% morphology) and had been TTC for over seven years but hadn't tried IVF yet because of cost. This was all during my mid to late twenties. We adopted one child during this time and I'm not even kidding- 10 days before we were going to put down our deposit for IVF we found out we were expecting. But on the other hand I wouldn't recommend others from stopping fertility treatments in hope of something similar happening.
Hello, Dr. L.
Thank you for your blog.
You've written about cervical stenosis before, and I wanted to ask you a question that I can't find much information about:
I had a laparoscopy in which the tubes did not fill or spill, and the Dr. had to "punch through" significant cervical scarring (she said getting through it was actually quite difficult). Within two months I had a positive hpt (without ART and without trying), the pregnancy was not ectopic (the supposition is that the tubes were in spasm during the laparoscopy), and we now have a son.
My question is this: After (presumed) stenosis-caused infertility and a subsequent vaginal birth, what are the chances of recurring stenosis-caused infertility?
Thank you.
You had no idea what your positive words and stories mean to so many of us. Thank you Dr for this blog!
very optimistic post.....I'm happy for those cases that had positive results. And as I take a break from TTC and one failed IVF cycle, this post has provided me with motivation to try again in a year or so.
Thank you for your blog and for sharing stories of insperation.
Can you help me on Antisperm antibodies?
I have a child from a previous marriage but my husband and I have been TTC for almost 6 years. Numurous failed IUI's, next the RE would like to try the injections.
My husband has 100% antibodies. Never had a vasactomy. Only hernia surgery in his early 20's. Could this have caused the antibodies?
I am uncertain if I should shell ou the $2600.00 for the injection IUI cycle when everything I am reading points towards IVF.
I have however heard of 1000mg vit. C, Calcium, Manganese and Magnesium helping these antibodies but can't really find much info on it.
IS there a doctor that specializes in antisperm antibodies? A urologist maybe?
any help you can give will be greatly appriciated.
Hi,
I have never asked questions at a blog before. I had a question and am not sure if this is the right way to post it. It does not concern the article. I apologize if this isn't the place to put in questions.
I am going through a frozen embryo cycle and am at the end of the cycle. The embryo is to be put in this thursday. I'm on lupron and asterace. I go for blood work and ultra sounds every week. I was told that my uterus lining thickness should be 7mm and higher. However, My doctor is ready to put in the embryo at lining thickness of 6mm. I want to know if this is ok. I read through tons of articles over the internet and all of them say it should be above 7mm. I want to know how important this is in conceiving. Also I notices that my lining thickness has been reducing in the last 3 weeks. it was 6.9mm and it went down to 6.5mm. Please Please help me make a decision on whether I should go ahead with this treatment or stop it here and try another doctor. I live in Chicago.
Thank you so much!
Thanks for the hopeful stories. I had been TTC for a year and 4 months when a HSG showed my right ovary was blocked. The same month of the HSG I had a chemical pregnancy. The following month I got pregnant again, but I didn't notice because I got a regular period and had no pregnancy signs. It turns out it was ectopic, on the "blocked" tube. And I discovered it in the worst way, in an ER. I had the tube removed and am luckily alive. The left tube was apparently fine in HSG, but for some reason I never got pregnant from that side (I know because I have an extreme bicornuate uterus). Besides the two pregnancies I mentioned here, my first pregnancy ended up in an unexplained stillbirth 2 and a half years ago. I am so scared now I will never be able to have another child. My doctors do not advise an IVF because my FSH levels are already high even though I am only 35. All I can do now is to hope.
That's a great story! Is is so nice to hear that it does "just happen" for some people. We went through 6 total cycles and turned to donor embryos before ever being able to have our miracle little boy. Thanks for sharing.
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Wow Doc,thank you for restoring hope to the hopeless,great work!!!
Great story!!
I have a question or two- I apologize for posting here, but didn't see a better place.
1) can you explain how an amh can be on the low-ish side and the day 3 fsh be completely normal, if they both are a way of looking at potential ovarian reserve?
(I am 36 years old, amh of .75, fsh 5.6, afc of 4-5)
2) I recently did my first round of injectible fsh followed by iui (iui was yesterday). I had an issue with premature lh surge (I surged before I was "supposed" to do trigger hcg shot--my largest follicle at that time was a 16). I ended up doing hcg shot that day. Do you believe there's a chance I ovulated an egg out of a 16mm follicle? The next one down in size was 14; should I assume if I ovulated an egg, it was probably only 1, correct?
I only just found your blog 2 days ago and am more than half-way through reading the whole thing- it's fascinating! Thank you for educating us.
-Marie
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So, we have found that my thyroid is starting to go downhill. I just had my 8th laparoscpy for endeometriosis, stage 4. It took 7 hours and involved a LOT of work and bringing in urology partway through to do some things and to have a general surgeron standing by to potentially open things up as there were that many new growths and adhesions. Given the crazy amount of new scarring on my tubes and the fact that they fill with fluid and hurt frequently, they were removed. We are now truly unable to conceive without IVF. And we just failed IVF with two grade A hatching blastocysts put back for implantation. I have elevated antiphospholipid antibodies, and a history of multiple miscarriages (back before the infection from a retained fetus took out the usefullness of my tubes). I've been presented with the option of using non-degradable mesh to prevent certain organs from adhering to eachother. We've been cautioned that once that's been done, pregnancy would be for sure excruciating and would also be more than likely have a negative outcome. Can you share more about endometriosis and associated adhesions, and different treatment methods or ideas that you've seen? We're quite comfortable with the surgeon who does our treatments, but I am very interested right now to gather extra opinions to at least consider. (I.E. would you encourage to just drop the baby dream, would you recommend a more aggressive IVF, knowing that it would produce a higher number of healthy embryos (we would probably make the embryos, have a final clean-up of the polyps and endometriosis and adhesions, and give it a few weeks of supression and then implant once healing was sufficient) or would you recommend a concervative IVF with fewer eggs/embryos because of the associated lower risk of putting the endo into hyperdrive? I know our doc very well, and trust her, and I'm not looking to undermine her. I also know that every time you've answered a question I've had, I've taken that answer to her and we've discussed it, and she usually finds that she'd already thought those same things, or she'll say that she agrees, or she'll say she does not agree and explain why. She's very open to us getting outside opinions - says the best way to get a unique idea is to stop trying the same old way over and over. I'm 28 and looking very seriously at losing the ability to bear children, at all, within the year.
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Being positive is the best remedy and medicine for treating any kind of problems. When positive, hormones are getting active, producing needed chemicals and they also get stabilized while cells seem to rejuvenated happily at the same time. When positive the body also gets naturally required nutrients, without any need for self-sabotage. I would say in a healthy and a positive mind, healthy body it is. Additionally quite many have used maca as a nutritional support in a process of getting pregnant. Any experience with maca root?
Can I please get your honest opinion? I Just did IVF for the third time. I am 43 and last two FSH levels were 12. My first IVF I did not respond to the protocol. I changed doctors and my second protocol I had two measurable follicles. At egg retrieval I had ovulated so IVF cancelled. Last IVF cycle I only had one measurable follicle and had a beautiful embryo and got pregnant. Only after a few days I miscarried. Since I was able to get pregnant so easy I was thinking about trying one more time. Please help me decide.
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Thanks for the reminder that it can happen naturally, even amidst all of the hormones and procedures that we put ourselves through. I just did my third IUI with injections yesterday, really hoping it works this time, and trying to stay optimistic that it will. I appreciate the time you take to write this blog and help us keep perspective.
Dr. Licciardi,
Thank you so much for this blog; it has been such a great resource for information, practical advice and hope.
One question I have is about the difference in IVF/IUI(?) success rates based on race. I understand from my RE that some studies have shown that Asian women have about a 30% lower success rate, and that this has also been the case in his own anecdotal experience. (I believe the studies also show lower rates for blacks and Hispanics as well, but as I'm Asian, the focus of our conversation was on Asians.)
Any thoughts on these studies? Have you seen this in your own experience? If so, any thoughts as to what might explain the difference and do you make any protocol adjustments based on race?
Thank you again for this blog.
Thank you for your time and knowledge! Your words are like balm on opened wounds...
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